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		<title>By: beauspeaks</title>
		<link>http://beauspeaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/reagan-and-carter-as-pilgrims/#comment-70</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, politicians are &quot;able,&quot; but not always willing.  Jimmy Carter didn&#039;t want to use the words &quot;wicked&quot; and &quot;sin&quot; in his inaugural because &quot;those who did  not share my beliefs might misunderstand.&quot; (See Keeping Faith, 19.)

But his choice of Micah 6:8 and doing justice still raises some questions.  The point we&#039;ve come to is defining justice by majority will--so if the majority want a &quot;windfall&quot; profits tax on the the &quot;big oil companies&quot; and have a &quot;tax refund&quot; then that become justice and not theft.  And trusting man to do the right thing may simply be a denial that someone else always knows better....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, politicians are &#8220;able,&#8221; but not always willing.  Jimmy Carter didn&#8217;t want to use the words &#8220;wicked&#8221; and &#8220;sin&#8221; in his inaugural because &#8220;those who did  not share my beliefs might misunderstand.&#8221; (See Keeping Faith, 19.)</p>
<p>But his choice of Micah 6:8 and doing justice still raises some questions.  The point we&#8217;ve come to is defining justice by majority will&#8211;so if the majority want a &#8220;windfall&#8221; profits tax on the the &#8220;big oil companies&#8221; and have a &#8220;tax refund&#8221; then that become justice and not theft.  And trusting man to do the right thing may simply be a denial that someone else always knows better&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pop</title>
		<link>http://beauspeaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/reagan-and-carter-as-pilgrims/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Pop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unable to speak the truth? No, I think they are able. But the population doesn&#039;t want to hear the truth because the truth is too painful to hear. They want their ears &quot;tickled,&quot; as Paul said.  So politicians tell them what they want to hear. 

Example: Nobody wants to deal with the Social Security issue. It will take a national will to deal with the coming problem of the Boomers taking more and more out of SS than they put in. To solve it you either have to promise less or tax more or start eliminating recipients. But when a politician touches this &#039;third rail&#039; of politics, he/she gets immediately hammered from all sides.  So politicians avoid any serious discussion of the solution.

As for Denis&#039; comment, Democrats historically have not &quot;trusted man&quot; to do the right thing.  Roosevelt didn&#039;t trust charities to take care of needy people, so he created the SS, supposedly as a &quot;safety net&quot; under those who couldn&#039;t set any aside for retirement or who didn&#039;t get support from charities. Over time the Dems morphed it into an &quot;entitlement&quot; for millions who now include it in their basic plan for retirement, not as a safety net. Even the GOP has fallen into the trap with the recent pharmacy additions. All of this &quot;entitlement&quot; is creating a whole generation or more of people who are now totally dependent on the government.

Other examples from the Dems: Dems can&#039;t trust the common man to make a good decision about buying the best car for their needs and take into that consideration gas mileage, so we&#039;ll legislate mileage demands that will force car makers to make small, unsafe cars that nobody wants just so they can claim the average mileage of their manufactured fleet matches the CAFE requirements.  Dems can&#039;t trust the common man to make a good decision about how best to educate his family, so we&#039;ll create an entire bureaucracy of thousands of people just to waste billions of tax dollars on so-called schools and deny anyone the privilege of making their own decision (no vouchers, no choices). 

Reagan had it right--smaller government intrusion into our life. Less regulation. Let capitalism work. Trust Americans to know the &quot;right things to do,&quot; but also be honest with the consequences if they don&#039;t do those right things. Buy gas-guzzlers, pay more for gas as it gets in short supply. Pick the wrong school, your kids fail. Fail to plan for retirement, live in poverty. Simple to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unable to speak the truth? No, I think they are able. But the population doesn&#8217;t want to hear the truth because the truth is too painful to hear. They want their ears &#8220;tickled,&#8221; as Paul said.  So politicians tell them what they want to hear. </p>
<p>Example: Nobody wants to deal with the Social Security issue. It will take a national will to deal with the coming problem of the Boomers taking more and more out of SS than they put in. To solve it you either have to promise less or tax more or start eliminating recipients. But when a politician touches this &#8216;third rail&#8217; of politics, he/she gets immediately hammered from all sides.  So politicians avoid any serious discussion of the solution.</p>
<p>As for Denis&#8217; comment, Democrats historically have not &#8220;trusted man&#8221; to do the right thing.  Roosevelt didn&#8217;t trust charities to take care of needy people, so he created the SS, supposedly as a &#8220;safety net&#8221; under those who couldn&#8217;t set any aside for retirement or who didn&#8217;t get support from charities. Over time the Dems morphed it into an &#8220;entitlement&#8221; for millions who now include it in their basic plan for retirement, not as a safety net. Even the GOP has fallen into the trap with the recent pharmacy additions. All of this &#8220;entitlement&#8221; is creating a whole generation or more of people who are now totally dependent on the government.</p>
<p>Other examples from the Dems: Dems can&#8217;t trust the common man to make a good decision about buying the best car for their needs and take into that consideration gas mileage, so we&#8217;ll legislate mileage demands that will force car makers to make small, unsafe cars that nobody wants just so they can claim the average mileage of their manufactured fleet matches the CAFE requirements.  Dems can&#8217;t trust the common man to make a good decision about how best to educate his family, so we&#8217;ll create an entire bureaucracy of thousands of people just to waste billions of tax dollars on so-called schools and deny anyone the privilege of making their own decision (no vouchers, no choices). </p>
<p>Reagan had it right&#8211;smaller government intrusion into our life. Less regulation. Let capitalism work. Trust Americans to know the &#8220;right things to do,&#8221; but also be honest with the consequences if they don&#8217;t do those right things. Buy gas-guzzlers, pay more for gas as it gets in short supply. Pick the wrong school, your kids fail. Fail to plan for retirement, live in poverty. Simple to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: beauspeaks</title>
		<link>http://beauspeaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/reagan-and-carter-as-pilgrims/#comment-68</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of Reagan&#039;s scariest words: &quot;I&#039;m from the government and I&#039;m here to help.&quot;

Pop, are leaders today unable to speak the truth or did Reagan use a poor choice of words to describe limited government?  

Denis, are you saying &quot;informed patriots&quot; don&#039;t trust government?  

And if people aren&#039;t good, does that mean that liberty is not good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of Reagan&#8217;s scariest words: &#8220;I&#8217;m from the government and I&#8217;m here to help.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pop, are leaders today unable to speak the truth or did Reagan use a poor choice of words to describe limited government?  </p>
<p>Denis, are you saying &#8220;informed patriots&#8221; don&#8217;t trust government?  </p>
<p>And if people aren&#8217;t good, does that mean that liberty is not good?</p>
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		<title>By: denis</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the fact that Republicans seem to believe they have a monopoly on tending to trust man instead of government is typical of the problem we&#039;ve faced the last eight years in trusting the wrong man (actually there&#039;s enough blame in this administration to go around, so it&#039;s more like men and women) to do the job. Just my two cents. And I voted for Reagan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fact that Republicans seem to believe they have a monopoly on tending to trust man instead of government is typical of the problem we&#8217;ve faced the last eight years in trusting the wrong man (actually there&#8217;s enough blame in this administration to go around, so it&#8217;s more like men and women) to do the job. Just my two cents. And I voted for Reagan.</p>
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		<title>By: Pop</title>
		<link>http://beauspeaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/reagan-and-carter-as-pilgrims/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Pop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt that the premise that &quot;man is inherently good&quot; is not in line with Scripture. However, it is difficult to see any political party starting off their platform with &quot;Man is inherently evil...&quot; and winning many votes in a nation that is so far from its Christian heritage. On the other hand, political parties are not churches, and in the context of Reagan&#039;s optimism, I think what the Republicans were trying to say is that as a party they tended to trust people to do the right thing more often than not. Reagan thought that if people understood and knew our heritage, they would be more inclined to support the maintenance of that heritage and less self-indulgent. The Democrats, on the other hand, tend to see man as inherently incapable of doing good on his own, so the government needs to impose good by legislation. (How the government knows &quot;good&quot; when the people who are elected by definition also don&#039;t do good is not clearly addressed by the Dems.) That approach leads to mandatory seat belt/helmet/child seat laws that force a &quot;one size fits all&quot; approach that ends up fitting no one well. It&#039;s not that seat belts, helmets, child seats are bad, it&#039;s that by mandating them the &quot;nanny&quot; government intrudes into our families, weakens the overall respect for the law in general and becomes more of an opponent than it should be. And those are just trivial examples. The most egregious is the NObama proposal to steal profits from the oil companies to give away. Basically, he wants to steal the profits from those who took a risk and invested in the oil companies and give it to those who did nothing to earn it. That&#039;s the worst of communism and socialism. But because the average citizen is unaware of our heritage, they end up as self-indulgent, not self-sacrificing and it sounds good. If we had taught our heritage of rewarding those who take the risks to make it better for all of us, that proposal would have been dead-on-arrival.

For 2008, just say &quot;NObama.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt that the premise that &#8220;man is inherently good&#8221; is not in line with Scripture. However, it is difficult to see any political party starting off their platform with &#8220;Man is inherently evil&#8230;&#8221; and winning many votes in a nation that is so far from its Christian heritage. On the other hand, political parties are not churches, and in the context of Reagan&#8217;s optimism, I think what the Republicans were trying to say is that as a party they tended to trust people to do the right thing more often than not. Reagan thought that if people understood and knew our heritage, they would be more inclined to support the maintenance of that heritage and less self-indulgent. The Democrats, on the other hand, tend to see man as inherently incapable of doing good on his own, so the government needs to impose good by legislation. (How the government knows &#8220;good&#8221; when the people who are elected by definition also don&#8217;t do good is not clearly addressed by the Dems.) That approach leads to mandatory seat belt/helmet/child seat laws that force a &#8220;one size fits all&#8221; approach that ends up fitting no one well. It&#8217;s not that seat belts, helmets, child seats are bad, it&#8217;s that by mandating them the &#8220;nanny&#8221; government intrudes into our families, weakens the overall respect for the law in general and becomes more of an opponent than it should be. And those are just trivial examples. The most egregious is the NObama proposal to steal profits from the oil companies to give away. Basically, he wants to steal the profits from those who took a risk and invested in the oil companies and give it to those who did nothing to earn it. That&#8217;s the worst of communism and socialism. But because the average citizen is unaware of our heritage, they end up as self-indulgent, not self-sacrificing and it sounds good. If we had taught our heritage of rewarding those who take the risks to make it better for all of us, that proposal would have been dead-on-arrival.</p>
<p>For 2008, just say &#8220;NObama.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: beauspeaks</title>
		<link>http://beauspeaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/reagan-and-carter-as-pilgrims/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>beauspeaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and here is an example of a &quot;Christian Constitutionalist&quot; who denies that Reagan&#039;s optimism is based on the Truth.
http://christianconstitutionalist.com/articles/09112004.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and here is an example of a &#8220;Christian Constitutionalist&#8221; who denies that Reagan&#8217;s optimism is based on the Truth.<br />
<a href="http://christianconstitutionalist.com/articles/09112004.htm" rel="nofollow">http://christianconstitutionalist.com/articles/09112004.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: beauspeaks</title>
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		<dc:creator>beauspeaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;ll help to post a bit of context.  But in the meantime, you sound like a vote for Carter as more like a pilgrim....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;ll help to post a bit of context.  But in the meantime, you sound like a vote for Carter as more like a pilgrim&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://beauspeaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/reagan-and-carter-as-pilgrims/#comment-56</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I wondered about those Scriptures when I read Reagan&#039;s epitaph at the memorial site, too. I like the optimism of the quote, but it isn&#039;t based in Truth, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I wondered about those Scriptures when I read Reagan&#8217;s epitaph at the memorial site, too. I like the optimism of the quote, but it isn&#8217;t based in Truth, is it?</p>
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